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Hi, guys, just a quick comment before you start the video, for whatever reason, zoom actually failed on us and recorded my video and my sound in a really poor quality. I don't know why we did some testing, everything was working during the recording, everything was working and then boom, I opened davinci resolve to edit the video. And to say the least, I was shocked the head the quality that zoom recorded my video and sounding but again, it doesn't deter from the value, I think and you can still enjoy the video. I just wanted to give you a little bit of a heads up. All right to the video now. Hi, guys. This is Artem. And this is another Daniliants ventures podcast. Today we have an amazing speakers, we have measure from expert. She is an expert in PPC optimization beat being Amazon, Google or Yandex. And it's my pleasure to have CMOS here as well. CMOS is very successful, Amazon enterpreneur having a revenue of seven figures. So there is definitely something we can learn from him and from his insight. But just to give a brief agenda and provide you a little bit of insight, we have a presentation from Nigel, she will talk about Amazon PPC and things you need to keep in mind when you're starting out. How does it work? And why do you need Amazon PPC and after that we'll have q&a. We will talk with CMS and measure and I'll ask some questions that I'm sure will be of great value to everybody listening and watching. Thank you very much and measure. The stage is yours.
Thank you, then thank you for having me and for the lovely introduction. So as you mentioned, I did prepare a presentation. So let me just quickly share my screen. And we can get started. Okay, I will just ask that somebody please confirm that you see my screen in full screen mode. Yes. Correct up wonderful.
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wonderful. Okay, thank you for that. Okay, so let's get started. So for the next 20 minutes or so, I will cover the importance of Amazon as marketplace and why you should consider it if you haven't already. What is Amazon advertising in a nutshell, so we'll do a brief one on one. So I'll cover all the basics, as well as how you can get the most out of it finishing with PPC optimization, which is what we specialize in here at aspart. So starting with the most, let's say basic or top of the funnel questions. Where are we at with Amazon? What's the current status quo of Amazon? Well, it's been a very exciting year or many years for that matter for Amazon. It seems that it's one of the words on everybody's mind, especially with the shift from brick and mortar commerce to e commerce we all observed during 2020 for obvious reasons. And we probably all of us on this side as well as in our audience participated in this shift from brick and mortar to e commerce. So in fact, according to the marketplace pulse 2020 marketplaces review, Amazon alongside Walmart target and Etsy was one of the big winners, along with the other winners, they all increase the number of sellers got a bigger chunk of the market pie and essentially just grew sales. But Amazon wasn't one of the winners from a pure dollar count perspective. A recent convy survey shows that the general public is very much ready to use Amazon as their primary commerce platform. Most buy products they're after on the page already. But what I personally find found more interesting is that it's the Amazon fulfillment and overall standardized operations that wins over local retailers. So people would be buying from local retailers they understand the importance of it, but are swayed by the Amazon standardized approach, faster shipping and overall experience. So together e commerce success that most sellers are after Amazon or not Amazon sellers. Amazon really isn't that much of a choice anymore. It's not that much of an option. It's one of the channels that needs to be at the very least considered and if you do it right, as CMS will tell us later, it can lead to massive success. So that translates directly to the key numbers observed for this ecommerce giant over the past year so over 2020 there were over 1.3 million new Amazon sellers in 2020. That boils down to 3500 new sellers every day. The gross merchandise volume also grew by 30% compared to previous To the previous year, so compared to 2019. But I think the most important thing to note about the gross merchandise volume is that the top sellers represented a smaller percent in 2020. Essentially, more of the sales came from a wider set of sellers than the few top ones. The data in fact shows that big sellers are having difficulties when it comes to continue growing. Because it's just so easy for new smaller sellers to start selling. You can actually see that over 360,000 sellers were responsible for 90% of the volume on Amazon. So yes, despite being big and already established sellers, there is space for new sellers as well. And lastly, third party party sellers growth over 2020 was faster than first party sellers. You can see this in the quote here confirmed by the now former CEO of Amazon, that in our experience translates to amazing opportunities on Amazon, the Amazon shelves are ready for your product, and the audience with buying power is there to buy them. But while Amazon is one of the easier marketplaces to set up on, is the mere presence enough? I guess you already knew the answer to that. And it doesn't come as much of a surprise to anybody. But in one word, no, the answer is no. The mere presence is not enough. Let's take a look at why. So it is a jungle out there.
And we've seen sellers having their inventory set up their prices define all the admin is now sorted. And yet the commercial results weren't quite there. And with 1.3 million new sellers in 2020, alone and over 4.3 million sellers in total. Is that really a surprise to anybody? Amazon does indeed bring a lot of potential. But it also comes with its share of challenges. One of them is one of the main ones is the eldest in the sales and marketing books. How do I stand out amongst what seems to be an infinity of competitors and competing products? In fact, and as an interesting food for thought there's a number available out there, that only 62% of sales of private label sellers come from organic traffic, think about that 40% of the sales are coming from elsewhere, that is not an insignificant number, not something to ignore, if you really want to find that growth for your products for your brand for your business on Amazon. So how can we get those 40%? So we can we will talk now about Amazon advertising, which can really help push your overall sales sales. It's the Amazon advertising essentially is the is Amazon's take on pay per click advertising. And it can help you in your race for the sale against your competitors. How does that do that in many different ways, we will focus on five key aspects today, but there are definitely an infinitive amount of benefits to Amazon advertising. So let's start with the first one. So it can absolutely help you to increase your product visibility. If you're willing to pay for it, no longer will your product be on the nth page of the search results. Later, it can also help you increase the sales for new products. And we can even include products that are not performing that well organically because you guessed it and links to the first point, it increases product visibility. The next point, it is very, very useful when it comes to sales and promotions. Having Amazon advertising it will drive traffic to your special events such as discounts, promotions, sales, and so on and so forth to make sure that you get the most out of your efforts. It also helps you defend your market position, as well as improve your organic rankings. All in all, it sounds really good, doesn't it? But if it's so cool, and so awesome, is really everybody winning at it. Again, not exactly. So before you consider Amazon advertising film, there are a few things we need to talk about. Amazon advertising is not something that is just gonna magically work out of the box there is a bit of free work that needs to be done. So let's go through that. And then we will dive deeper into Amazon advertising as a whole. So the prep work what what are the six key points you should focus on five more on the mandatory side and one that is slightly more optional. And as a note, the more time you invest in this, the bigger the chances of your success on Amazon advertising as a whole. So let's start with the first point. The listing texts, that's the first thing you need to take care of the written information you offer regarding the product you're selling, you need to think about meaningful and keyword loaded titles about very clear and concise bullet points describing the products you're selling.
Those are the ones that show up under the product title on the product detail page. The actual product description needs to contain all the relevant information about the product. And with all of that information, which is a lot in and of itself, you still need to make sure that it is brief, concise, informative, and as SEO loaded as possible. So all of your SEO knowledge and experience you can implement at this point to make it work for you. Moving on, we need to talk about the product images, these matter and alot. Images worth more than 1000 words, make sure that you have quality images of your products, or a minimum of 1000 pixels. If you have the option, not just one image aim for seven or upwards so that you can really provide a good notion of what the product is all about what it looks like, what the customers can expect, the main image also should have a white background. And if you can provide a video as well of the product that is just extra points all over the place. Thank you need to think about reviews and ratings. Now this is something that you're not in direct control of that is not something that you can just write up for yourself, really. But it is also important, the higher the reviews, the better the ranking, the better your Amazon advertising is going to work. It's very difficult to give an exact number here because of course, the higher the better. But if you need a baseline to get you started, aim for 10 reviews, and a four or higher ratings for new products. Also make sure you provide answers to the frequently asked questions. Those really help in generating trust for your brand. And then we're back to something that you can control logistics. So you can pick between Fulfillment by Amazon, or FBA, and fulfillment by merchant or fbm. Make your pick make sure everything is set up that everything is running smoothly so that when those first sales start coming in, you don't have a problem with shipping with logistics or anything like that. This is very, very important to have sorted out from the very beginning. The fifth thing to think about is price. So you need to make sure that the prices that you set match those of similar products or products in the same category that your product is in. You also need to make sure that the prices are competitive with all of your competitors to help you win the buy box. We will talk about the buy box a bit later on in this presentation. But for now, let's just mentioned that it is important that you have a competitive price. Because it links to the buy box and not willing to buy box is not that good for your advertising. And lastly, and this is the optional aspect I mentioned before, consider getting your Amazon Brand Registry sorted. While this is not a hard requirement, it will enable you to use all of the available Amazon advertising campaign types that we'll see in the next section. Again, this is optional, you can skip it if you're just getting started. But if you'd like to leverage the full power of Amazon advertising, it is definitely important to keep it in mind. So once you have all of these done and ready, we are pretty much set to move on to Amazon advertising. So Amazon advertising, I mean, where do you start? What should you focus on? What does it even look like? Those are the questions we often get with brand new sellers. And it is something that it's not that easy to wrap your brain around, especially if you're new to online advertising world. But we tried to kind of get the key points in this presentation so that you at least have a starting point. Of course, it goes without saying that Amazon advertising is much more complex than what we will show today. This is your starting point, your step one, step two, step three,
to get you started with your experimentation. So let's take a look. Starting at the very beginning. Yes, it can feel like a big scary thing. But it doesn't have to be. It is a solution that is made with its user in mind. And in many ways. It's similar to other advertising platforms. If you have experience with those in the sense that you place bids for keywords, products, product categories, or audiences. Let's just call them biteable objects and then you measure the price. For months of your advertising by checking the usual metrics, so you check impressions. So how many times was the ad shown? You check clicks? How many times was it clicked? How much did you spend? or How much did those clicks cost you? How many sales did that generate? What is your advertising cost of sales or a cause? And what is your role as for return on adspend. So these are, let's say, the three basic aspects that are the same as with any other advertising platform with the exception of a cause, which is an Amazon specific term. But all of this basic aspects aside, there are a few differences, which needs to be considered so that you can get the most out of your advertising on Amazon. And for the purpose of this presentation, we will focus on the different campaign types available, and the infamous buy box. So let's start with the campaign types, we essentially have three different ones. We have sponsored products, which is by far the most popular one sponsored brands, which is used mainly for increasing brand awareness and recognition, and sponsored display. This last one is the only one that is actually showing ads off of Amazon as well. So you can reach users interested in your products, even when they're not actively browsing on Amazon. How cool is that? Amazing. So let's go through each of them separately, this is going to be a bit technical. But I really just want to make sure that in a few sentences, you get the key aspects of each of the different campaign types. Sponsor products, as mentioned, it is the most popular campaign type, it's the one that's driving the most ad spend, at least in our experience. And it's usually where advertisers start, it is easy to understand why because the product ad is promoting a single ad. So it is very, in a nutshell, it's just driving the sales of your products. That's that's what it does. That's its own, its main purpose. And it redirects anybody that clicks on it directly to the product detail page. So there are no stops along the way or anything like that, you click on an ad, you end up on the product page. Now pretty much everybody on Amazon whose products are eligible for the buy box or featured offer can use this campaign type, the ads show up on the top or bottom of the search page, as well as on the product detail page. Now the targeting available for sponsored products is either automatic or manual. with automatic, Amazon selects the visible objects, so keywords or products or product categories, and as well as the bits and it places the bits for you. With manual, it's a bit more flexible, so you can do all of that yourself manually. But by being so flexible, it's also a bit more time consuming, you need to invest more time, you need to keep on top of it to make sure that you're really leveraging the full power of it. Now auto is great for when you're getting started. But it's also great for when you're already past that starting point because it can help you discover new things to be done. Or it can help you to text detect tendencies to consider it in your manual campaigns as well. So having an auto campaign running is always a good idea if you're playing around with sponsored products.
Okay, let's move on to sponsored brands. So this is essentially the brand building campaign type Amazon advertising offers. And its purpose is to help build brand awareness amongst Amazon users. The ads show up at the top alongside or within the search results. But the biggest difference is that there are more than what at type, which passer brands there are three, we have a product collection where you can show up to three products in the ad. We have the store spotlight if you have a store, so it's available only to those professional sellers that do have an Amazon store set up. And we have video that's the most recently added one and the most exciting one because we all know video is a format that engages users much more than just a static ad. So it is part of the sponsored brands. campaign type is something to definitely play around with. Now contrary to sponsored products, and even sponsored display ads, which we'll chat about in a moment, sponsored brands ads, don't take the users to a specific product page, but rather to a predefined Amazon landing page or to the brand store page. So it makes sense to pay special attention to building very appealing and engaging content on those pages so that you support your ads you can place bids for keywords for products or product categories for his positive brand campaign but the eligibility criteria so who gets to use them here is a bit stricter because professional sellers need to be enrolled in the amazon brand registry in order to be able to leverage this campaign wonderful okay let's move on to the last one i'm sorry guys i just need to take a sip of water
okay okay the last and most recently added campaign type on amazon advertising is sponsored display this one varies from the other two we just reviewed in that it shows ads off amazon as well leveraging the dsp network that includes third party website and apps and the ads are shown based on the audiences that you pick when you set up your campaign it's a very useful campaign type to complement your advertising activity as it will work for you off of amazon as well but it does have a few special placements on amazon too for example right under the buy box that's a placement you get with sponsored display these ads are also focusing on a single product the same way sponsored products are and they take the user to the product details page the targeting here does not include keywords so you cannot place bids on keywords but you can place bids either on products so that is an a specific product or a product category and amazon introduced a new beautiful object which is audiences in terms of eligibility this campaign has the same limitations and sponsor brands and therefore require the sellers enrollment in amazon brand registry but besides that something to keep in mind is that this is a campaign type that is not yet available in all marketplaces so if you're interested in where you can use it or not i would highly recommend that you always check the amazon sponsor display landing page before you make any decisions just to get an updated sense of where this campaign type is and is not available okay so those were the three campaign types now let's talk about the infamous buy box or featured offer so this is essentially the add to cart element on the amazon product detail page and being eligible for it is what will enable you to serve as for your sponsor products campaigns it's especially important because in fact there's data online showing that 82% of amazon sales go through the buy box so that is the absolute vast majority and it is not something you want to miss out on but how do you win it or how do you win the buy box it's available to professional seller accounts that are selling new items that's very important they need to be new not used and they are immediately available you also need to check your eligibility status available in your seller central but if it were that easy then every product would be winning the buy box right but we can only have one sorry not every product every seller would be winning the buy box but we can actually have only one winner for each firebox so how do you increase your chances of winning the buy box there are also many things impacting your chances of winning the buy box if we had to pick a few that according to the internet and our own experiences and the experiences of our customers have the biggest impact we will narrow it down to leveraging fba so fulfillment by amazon having seller fulfilled prime if possible a very competitive price so remember how before we were talking about price this word plays in if you don't have a competitive price the chances of being the buyer of winning the buy box are much smaller and optimal shipping time so these are let's say the four key points we would always recommend to start with but honestly the buy box it has to do with your overall quality of amazon advertising so the more time you invest in the prep that we talked about before and having everything set up for your product in really paying attention to what you're doing what is selling better what is selling worse what are the best prices and so on and so forth the better overall chances of winning the buy box but yet if it were that easy if amazon advertising just had this step one step two step three game But it would be absolutely winning at it right. And that's not really the reality of things as we know. So what else can you do? Once you have your pre advertising work done and your advertising is set up with all the relevant campaign types, and all the relevant targeting? Well, in all honesty, the biggest certainty of online advertising is that it is by definition, entirely uncertain, meaning it changes on a daily basis, it shifts whenever your competitors make big moves, or the audiences move on to the next cool thing. If Amazon is running its Prime Day.
It even goes as far as to consider the weather, for example, there are research, there are researchers out there that conducted investigations that show that if it's bad weather, people are more inclined to buy on e commerce as opposed to when it's sunny and lovely outside. So there are a lot of things to take into consideration. But what can you do about this? Well, you can optimize your advertising. So what does this mean exactly? Essentially, it means that you have an automated solution. to place your bids for you based on the performance of your campaigns, it will find a sweet spot between the best bid for the best biddable object for the most suitable product, product ads to maximize your chances of selling the product. It will learn from your account and your targeted audiences behavior and reactions and adjust accordingly. So it will do all the grunt work for you. Now, of course, you can do all of this manually, you can have your Excel sheets, you can check your reports on a daily basis, review it make the decisions, then go into Seller Central make the adjustments. But most users we talked to quickly realize that it goes beyond a full time job. And there are so many things to think about on Amazon aside from advertising. But with the sudden growth search comes once, once you hit that sweet spot on Amazon, it just becomes unmanageable very, very fast. And that's actually where aspirin comes in. So we essentially connect to existing Amazon advertising accounts, and we optimize them. Essentially, as I said before, we do our best to find the sweet spot and get you the biggest bang for your advertising book. So our machine learning algorithm processes endless amounts of data in a split of a second to make data driven decisions and place the right bids to get the maximum outcomes. This essentially means that you do not have to be updating your massive Excel sheets to figure out what's going right or what's going wrong. And you can focus on the bigger picture, while our algorithm does all the work for you. So aside from that massive data processing, what else do does the expert machine learning algorithm take care of. So we model the conversion delay, for example, as well, especially for bigger ticket items. When a user gets to the product detail page, they might not buy. On the first visit, it might take them a few days of thinking maybe discussing with their spouse or checking their finances or whatever it is that they need to do getting back thinking a bit more than a week, they come back again and the day 10 After clicking on the ad they convert. So just because the numbers are not there, right after the customer clicked doesn't mean that the results are not coming. So we make sure that we model that to keep it in mind. So that we continue bidding, and not let miss out on any potential conversions. We also detect hidden similarities and patterns affecting the performance and we act on them. We do have an automated edition of high performing keywords, and product targets from auto to manual campaigns. Like I mentioned before, having an auto campaign running even when you're past the learning state. It helps detect new keywords that the customer that makes sense to bid on or new products that make sense to bid on. So we pushed those directly, or we pulled those from the other campaigns, put them in the manual campaign so that we have more power over the bidding on those beautiful objects. And if you're running any other online advertising platforms, we do offer support for Google ads, Yandex and Microsoft ads, as well. And with that, thank you all very much for staying on. For listening through this, I believe it was a bit over 20 minutes, I hope you find you found it useful. And back over to you at them. Thank you.
Thank you very much. That was really insightful. Interesting. Definitely good stuff. I am sure many people who are not familiar with Amazon got a brief masterclass in what to keep in mind when starting PPC on Amazon. Now, we are joined, again by CMS. And again, as I mentioned before, CMS is doing pretty well on Amazon, and he has hands on experience. And I wanted to bring simmers to kind of bring that seller perspective to our conversation. So obviously, nature is a PPC specialist. So she approaches it from a different perspective from a maybe more technical optimization perspective. But CMS can talk actually about the dollars and the euros, and what do you actually get by doing PPC campaigns? So maybe we can open q&a. And similarly, if you have any questions, or maybe you can further Introduce yourself, I'm sure our listeners would love to hear more about you. And what do you do and what do you actually sell on Amazon?
Oh, so thank you, Tim. And thank you, for great presentation, it was very useful and everything in one place to understand how Amazon advertising works. Also, at the beginning, probably so I'm not very popular person out there in social media, and they do not advertise myself. So probably from the beginning, I would say that whitewash, like who I am the person as an expert's, you should be saying something about Amazon. So I'm online seller since 2000. line, and unprofessional amazon seller. So full time amazon seller since 2014. I'm selling in all major Amazon marketplaces, starting from USA, Canada, Mexico, and all major European marketplaces, and running for private label brands right now. And all of them in 2020 made more than 3 million US dollars in revenue. So from the very point of perspective, like PPC management, and what never said that it's necessary, we felt the necessity of autumn musician very last year. And because, one, we noticed that since we are selling in all major Amazon marketplaces around the world, and we have more than 400 SKUs per marketplace, it was very hard to manage manually everything in each marketplace. So to manage each SKU with their own group of keywords, product targeting, and so on. And as I just showed how many options to advertise each SKU Amazon provides to Amazon sellers. So it was very difficult for us to do everything manually, either. It requires a lot of stuff, or we wanted, we didn't want to increase the number of staff, therefore we were looking for the optimization process. So So I believe that PPC management and PPC optimization is the new trend. And there's a new possibility of how to optimize not only PPC but optimize management of the stuff in the company, as well
as good stuff. Thank you very much. Maybe we can start with some questions. I could maybe start with the first one. I'm familiar myself personally with obviously, Google ads. I mean, if you spend any time online, you either see them, or maybe in my case, you end up creating them. So when it comes to Google ads, and obviously I just want to see how how Amazon PPC differs, because maybe some of our listeners have experience running maybe Google Ads campaigns, so it's something that they consider pretty familiar territory. So would you say that Amazon PPC platform and algorithm differs a lot compared to Google ads. Because in Google ads, you can try to get as high quality score as possible, you work with your ctrs. And basically, the higher quality campaign you have, the less you end up paying for click, and mostly, you will have higher visibility on the platform as well. And there is obviously a lot of optimization that needs to, you know, go into the work, but what would you say if if somebody who already, you know, been doing Google Ads campaigns or has some previous experience, how would you characterize maybe Amazon PPC? Is it completely different territory? What would you guys say?
Okay, so I can get started. I mean, there are of course, similarities between the two, as I think there was a slide in between there, I mentioned that you place bids on your biddable objects, and you measured your results, right? That's the 123 of PPC pretty much everywhere. But Amazon is a special beast beast in and of itself, in the sense that it does have different targeting, for example, you can target on products, that's not something you can target product, sorry. So specific essence, that's not something that's available on Google, you also have the auto campaigns that pick the keywords for you and place the bids for you, you don't have to really do anything, you can just click the button. And that's it. Again, something that's not there on Google. Now, whether or not it works, that's Amazon algorithm, it can produce results, sometimes better, sometimes worse, like everything in life. The big difference that we really notice, because we spend a lot of time trying to nail that on Google is the Amazon doesn't have the audience and demographics data. So on Google, you can place a bid that is more suited to show your ads. For example, I don't know, if you're selling female, women's t shirts, you can place a bid that shows that ads to females, because the conversion possibility is much higher there. Again, not a thing on Amazon. So it is different. But I think from a user standpoint, the bigger the biggest difference that the users notice is that Amazon is like its own little universe. So you click on an ad, you don't go anywhere, you still stay in Amazon, because it is a marketplace that has its own advertising on top of it. Whereas Google, it sends you somewhere else, you don't really know where you're going to land. And sometimes like there's no problem with that. But other times it can be I don't know if sketchy is the right word, because Google does put a lot of emphasis on quality, but you really don't know where you're going to land in the end of the day. So those are the things that we noticed, of course, Google does have, for example, smart bidding. So it has its own, let's say bid management. So yeah, there there are similarities, as well as differences. But I wouldn't say that just because you nailed Google ads, you can kind of just consider that Amazon is going to be just another victory in your, in your wins. book. I guess if you have such a book I do. That's why I'm saying it. It would be better to kind of take a seat, go through the courses, Amazon has a number of resources for sellers, the seller university to really see how it works and how it will work for you specifically, because with such an uncertain environment, like online advertising, you need to understand how it works, and then how to make it work for you. And just thinking that's going to be a copy paste from Google ads to Amazon advertising. From my perspective, I don't think that's the smartest thing to do. Um, but hey, that's just me, it could be that people found success with that. It's just an opinion, take it or leave it.
Okay, that's what I wanted to hear. Basically, if you work with Google Ads already, you should approach Amazon PPC as its own platform with its own quirks, you know, shortcomings, as you mentioned, maybe demographics and Yeah, good. Good stuff. Sima. See, do you have anything to add?
Yeah, sure. Sure. In this sense, I'm not the Google experts also are not give the question about the Google advertisement. But at this point, when you mentioned the different difference between the Google and Amazon so I would like to jump in on Amazon, different campaigns. I mean, you you show that there are video campaigns product targeting brand and sponsored ads and so on. So why don't you start the optimization process of for the for your clients? do you make anything how different in terms of perspective like how you manage the bids and set up the dibbles and so on for both of those campaigns or you just help some kind of internal decision making process and just you when you launch all of them and then you control and try to spend as less as possible and earn as much as possible how does it work
that's an excellent question i thank you for that so first i would start by saying that we support whatever it is that amazon allows us to support via the amazon advertising api so regardless of the campaign type you choose or the targeting ads for is either already supporting it or just it's in the works and it will be available shortly because we make it our business to make sure we're on top with what amazon is releasing now when it comes to actual optimization we essentially approach every campaign in the same way so we check the performance result of that campaign and of the ad groups within it and specifically of the search term report that's something every platform provides so we take a look at that and we check which are the best performing biddable objects so keywords products product categories audience it doesn't really matter and then we make decisions based on that statistical data so ours is always a mathematical problem we try to solve and at the let's say the core of it is always to maximize the profits so how do we get more outcome for the same input that said we do allow our customers of course because we don't want to disregard our customers strategies and business objectives we have a number of goals available as part of our product so our customers can create performance groups those are an ads per term which are essentially groups of campaigns so you can think about them similar in the way that they're structured to amazon portfolio so you grew up a number of campaigns into a single performance group and assign a goal to it so that goal for aspart acts as as a constraint as a limitation so if you have a goal of cost per month we will do our bidding and our optimization but we will consider the limitation that we cannot spend more than x per month or if you're looking for an a cost of i don't know 17 we will place our bids with the limitation that on average the daily a cost should be as close to 70 and so on and so forth so there are different goals and they always add as a limitation to our bidding for our bid management but whether or not it's a different ad type like if we if it's i don't know sponsored brand video versus ad type store spotlight it makes no difference like we don't really look into the creative we look at the what is producing results that's a mathematical game for us a statistical game for us and we have a lot of very advanced forecasting models also running in the background that are constantly analyzing all of the data we can pull out of amazon to make sure that the decisions were making are in our customers best interest and in support of their business goals and objectives which in our environment translates to the optimization goals that the answer your question
yeah so that means that you do not much care about the different different campaigns you care about the statistics and either those campaigns working or not debates are working or not if they are working you increase the bid under the limitation of course because the seller is the king as the seller has the ability to decide the budgets and all kinds of stuff correct read things so it's very useful for the seller so even though you optimize it but still the seller has the ability to control the process
yes yes the sellers sorry go ahead
um yeah so and so that's what leads to for me to another question about the decision making process you said that everything based on the mathematics and statistics so it's how long you are running those campaigns you how do you make a decision it's like it's very clear that you cannot make a decision out of a few clicks and on five clicks is not enough to make an assumption either it works or not so how do you make a decision so and according to those decisions you adjust the base placements for the targeting and also
correct so as he said and it is completely correct it's a statistically like just not a good idea to be making any sort of conclusions based on five clicks 10 clicks or i don't know one day of advertising with no clicks or zero conversion rate or something like that so what we do is we make sure that the decisions that we make are made once we have a significant amount of data that is very difficult to put a timestamp on because based on the budgets that our sellers are putting in it could take a day if the budget is massive or it could take a week if it's a smaller seller and they don't want to spend that much money so we don't really take time as like the main variable into account all that much what we make place more emphasis of on is having a sufficient amount of data that statistically we can see that there's a trend there that there's something happening that the data is confirming but there is one thing to consider so we always ask our ask ourselves what's the bigger risk here if we pause something that we think is not working we lose all the conversions that might come like without a doubt it's past it will generate nothing but if we continue running it we might waste some budget but we will get the learnings that will eventually lead us to those conversions they might be few and they might just confirm the theory that this doesn't work but then it will be confirmed it won't be a hypothesis we will really get to the bottom of line and be able to say hey guys like this is really not working we need to do something about it so there's no like we need to explore to exploit kind of a deal but we do we do always make sure that if we are the ones making that decision we make sure we have a significant amount of data before we make the decision of course like this is not let's say a game that only we play so the sellers are always free to say i don't want to wait until you guys kind of get your data and just go in and pause a specific campaign that happens it's fine like ultimately it's the sellers advertising that we're optimizing so if they want to make the decision instead of us or kind of preempt that that is totally okay but from our perspective if you would just to leave a campaign running we would always wait to have enough data to be able to make a decision that statistically makes sense
yeah so that's great that's good to know the process and then knowing that it's very important probably from the seller perspective and and other sellers who's listening this about the product launches when you launch a new product you don't have any statistics neither the seller cares because it's always see kind of a game of you know roulette i will do your homework but you still you'd never know how it would work so how would that work with the adverts and launch campaigns when you run a ppc but you don't have a data and wouldn't that work like the seller decides okay i would run ppc i would like to run that ppc even though it is not profitable but with a higher base i want to get the more awareness more clicks more more conversions and that's how to increase the product rankings and so on but wouldn't that become that if seller gives you the product launch campaigns to you to optimize you would kill them immediately like you you okay then we since we don't know the results you we don't know the statistics so we start the campaign with the bids starting from one cent per click instead that the seller would like to bid higher numbers like let's say one one euro per click what do you think so what were the launch
okay so that is another excellent question thank you um so as i mentioned before the same that when it comes to compay type or ad type it doesn't really make a difference for us it doesn't either when it's a brand new product but there is like you said an important ad aspect to it where that where it doesn't have the data really for us to base our decisions on so the game there is not really to for example improve the a cost the game there is to place the ad in front of as many people as possible so we're leveraging that number one benefit of amazon advertising which is to increase product visibility right that's what we want to do we need to get it out there we do have a gold type which is cost per month and that one essentially let's say forces us to spend a specific amount of money for that campaign so from an ad spurt optimization perspective and i'm speaking merrily about ads for optimization here because other tools might work differently what we would recommend is that that campaign is not placed in campaign in a performance group that has other campaigns but has its own standalone goal of cost per month because when it's cost per month what we will worry about is getting that ad in front of people essentially that is the main goal the goal is to spend the money and if you spend the money you increase the visibility now how high the bids will be that really depends on the category you're in the keywords we're targeting at and so on and so forth but that's part we'll be learning from day to day which which bits are working better so it might get more aggressive or more defensive because we still pulled that data daily and we see which bids won and which didn't so we pull that data and we either then switch to be more aggressive or more defensive again with the purpose of getting that ad in front of people like that's the main goal of having the cost per month just to spend that budget get the ad out there and that is what we recommend to do with new product launches the one thing that we do need to worry about is that that product is not part of an ad group with other products and that essentially it has its own standalone campaign because we optimize on campaign level if you put the product in a campaign that already has i don't know 100 older products that are performing better most likely the algorithm will be shifting the budget there and you don't want that you really want to push the new product because you need that visibility you need that data you need to generate like that first impact where essentially i think you mentioned like i'm okay with this not being profitable you need to communicate that to us in the sense of it's a campaign with a new product go to town with it this is the money you get to spend do it and this way we also don't impact the performance of all the other products which is also very important
all right so that's make sense and that's a great answer from you because so when you set up the goal so so during the launch phase you you can set up just the cost per month not the a cost for example if you put the acres goal you might start optimizing it to reach that level and then they it wouldn't work as as per launch campaign but if you set up the goal as your cost per month to the amount of the ad spend so then you will run aggressively without taking here much about you know the either converse or not and so okay that makes sense that that makes sense and it's used to be useful useful for soldiers to know
okay maybe i can jump in and ask a question maybe as well or two so obviously when we talk about ppc it hits sellers right here in the heart because we start talking about money and sellers obviously want to get as much sales as possible with as little investment as possible that's why that's why they pay for seo right i mean that's the dream having organic traffic coming out of wazoo and not worrying about ppc because ppc is like crack even if it works for you you get addicted so let's talk money let's talk money for a while so when i go to amazon obviously amazon has marketplaces all over the world and amazon is expanding they're not sitting still they just they expanded in sweden so that's a new marketplace so scandinavia basically is now available to sellers on amazon who want to attract customers in that region great how much money do you need to spend And how much money do you need to spend to get started? I know of course. Usual answer is, it depends. It depends on amount of marketplaces, it depends on your product. It depends on the competition level. But just an example, some people get really scared when you talk about PPC, because they might think that you need to invest 10 grand minimum, otherwise, it doesn't make any sense. So maybe an Azure and Sema, maybe you can guys shed some light on the money side of things, how much do you need? What is too little? And what is, you know, what are the variables that you need to take into account when you start calculating that budget that PPC budget?
Well, um, well, from me from my seller perspective, when it when I do the product launches, I do the whole amount of calculations before we do that. And the ESU, you was right, or you were right, when you're saying that, it depends, but that it really means it depends. So when I decided to launch a new product, do the whole bunch of calculations, which means lead times minimum order quantities from suppliers, the whole whole the process of logistics, how much would that cost for logistics, then I make estimations how many how many units I expect to sell, say sell by very day, then I evaluate the competition and they see how many reviews other competitors have and I assume that I will have none. Then that means that I will have to boost sales by PPC run around aggressive PPC campaigns so that I would appear in the shop shirt search results at all. And all the rest of stuff so so it's a you never know when you started. And then when you go along to you you adjust your your PPC ad spend you you adjust your RSI based on the results you get then you adjust. So you never know what you have to make estimation for sure, if you you're diving into the niche, which runs let's say 20 million euros per month. So it's not enough 1000 euros, just forget it, it's better to give that 1000 euros to childcare center or something. It will be worth the money, you know spending those money into into Amazon pool. So it really depends where you're going. It really depends on the competition, it really depends on the analysis you did before launching your product. So that's my opinion is there is no single solution is many different factors that affects the PPC budget.
I'd have to agree with that. To be honest. I mean, I know I think that's the most difficult questions we get all the time, if we had a straight answer, I'm guessing we'd be up for like, I don't know, the Nobel Prize in economics or something like that. Because this really is a very uncertain game. And there are a lot of things to take into consideration. One thing that I would add to what CMS just mentioned, which I completely agree with every word that he just said, and it does really depend, is that the good part of online advertising is the flexibility of it. So if you want to run an ad on the TV, you kind of get an invoice that you need to pay in advance and that invoice is 20,000 euros if it's I don't know, I'm just making stuff up. But it's a high number usually, or in the newspapers that those numbers are still fairly high that you need to pay in advance. And still Yeah, you get some metrics of what the the audience might be, but there's no guarantee of results. Whereas on our online advertising, Amazon advertising included, it's very flexible. So yes, you can start small if you're nervous, not too small, because that's money wasted, like Sima said, but there is like a reasonable amount that you're probably willing to start off with. Break it down into days, run it for a week, two, three, see what happens. And then make your decisions based on that. See if your bids are too low and you're never winning anything like your your ads are showing really on the end page, if at all, then increase it or if your bids are so high that you're always winning and you're spending way too much then decrease it. Like it's it's really a game that is very transparent and you can take a look at the data and you can make the decisions on to fly although i would say that making too many decisions too close together when you're launching is also not that good because then the algorithms don't get the chance to learn properly about your products and campaigns but it is there so if you're worried about overspending it's in your power to kind of pull the plug immediately if you're really wanting to whereas with like traditional media you kind of need to pay that money in advance and then see what happens so yeah i'd love to give a number would love to get me that nobel prize but it's just
okay yeah okay if again if i yeah same as please do
so it's like nobody has a crystal ball who can guess the result what would happen if happens so um i would say my advice for the sellers would be if you are very sensitive on the budget so i would go into the less competitive niches if you want if you have budgets and you are not that much sensitive and you do not have afraid of overspend for some certain period of time just in order to get the results and check out that how the works going on then that's okay you can go on the more competitive niches bit more get sales get results and then adjust based on the results what you get and that's what she said that that's great thing on ppc that you can adjust easily you can if you change your mind if you see something is not working you don't need to spend money for the billboard advertisements and so on and then you you cannot measure those outcomes from ppc management perspective you can easily measure the results and then you can adjust them so your results based on the possible competition you are going to face and then you if you want if you have less budgets if you are very sensitive to the budget then you should go to the less competitive niches if you are okay with the money you have much amount of money to spend on advertising and other competitive competition issues then you can go to higher woods and try to get more sales
okay so if i translate that to human language what i would say is following based on the input and tell me if my translation is a bit off and if it reminds you of a google translation so basically the more competition the more general broad the category the more you're most likely will have to invest so if there are 100,000 sellers and the volumes are really big most likely you will have to spend more on ppc most likely again it depends let's not go back there but it depends and if you are starting out in a very small niche where there is not a lot of competition not a lot of sellers and the volumes are not as big you can get away especially in the beginning with a much smaller budget but again you can start probably if we're talking numbers still i know you will hate me for this but if we're talking numbers you can get some good data spending already a few $100 you can get some good data you might not get sales but you might get some indication how am i placed and so forth right i mean just just briefly and obviously you will have to have strategy in place right you will have to have a good product you will have to have some initial reviews may be good pictures your pricing has to be on point because if you're selling i don't know bathrobes for $1 million no amount of ppc or aspart magic will change the fact that you will not get any sales so you have to have a strong market research you have to have everything else done already when you do ppc but again i'm just thinking about you know yeah seamless could you maybe comment a bit i see you got excited when i started mentioning a few 100 euros so maybe i'm completely off point
well it's relative number what you said is he $100 and it's different things what you can get imagine if the bid cost per click is $5 or five euros so out of 100 ad spend you will get just 20 clicks So what can you decide from 20 clicks? Does it convert that? Is it not? Is it good at all if the product is okay or not. So out of 20 clicks you, you're almost blind, you don't know anything. And imagine the same $100 or euros. And if the click costs 20 cents, so you'll get 500 clicks out of out of it. And from 500, you can make a decision. So and those, the cost of per click depends on competition you're in. So it's like, it's very competitive niche, highly demanded product, highly traffic driven keyword. So most probably, the click will cost more. So with it same amount of money, you can get different results. And with the same amount of money, you can bring different outcomes. And then, you know, sometimes information cost, so you have to buy that information with some certainty of money. So if the clicks cost a lot, so you will have to spend more to get that information and results. And based on those results, you should make a decision.
Okay, good. Not sure. Do I add to that, like, Okay, I will shoot a question. On average, do you guys think in terms of in terms of ad spend, you know, is there some statistics maybe available? Like how much do Amazon sellers on average spend? Is there something like that available?
So maybe we'll jump in. So maybe NASA knows that because they have 1000s of customers? Probably and 1000s of agents already optimized? So from the big amount of data, maybe they can make some certain estimations. But from the single seller perspective, it's, you know, your answer friends. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, to be honest, I think, the more we talk about it, it's if we're gonna be running in the same vicious circle, because it depends, but it doesn't put the money that you have, but it depends, but the category but the competitors, but I'm sorry. Okay,
so just just, just test. Okay, I understood, I understood that vicious cycle, all that stuff. Good, good, good. Let's move along. So let's change gears a bit. And let's talk about products. So what kind of products maybe this is more towards Sema, since he has done a lot of market research for his products and the products, product launches that he was responsible for, but what kind of product is like the ideal product for Amazon. So obviously, Amazon, nowadays allows you to sell big and small items, they have even groceries, right? They have all the good stuff, and maybe even drone delivery at some point, I'm looking forward to that. I would love to order some, some toilet paper and get it delivered by a drone or something similar, that will be my dream. I mean, that will be cyberpunk right there. But anyway, you know, you could sell even fridges on Amazon, I think, you know, you can sell really like big items. But from the perspective of a seller, what would be I wouldn't say like the ideal item, but what kind of character characteristics would that item should it have? In order to be more I would say optimized for Amazon.
Ideal item is the one that brings you money into your pocket. So that Okay,
so back to it depends, okay.
And the rest is, you know, your market research results. So it's like I right now what when I am at this stage, um, I do not afraid of any product, I do a research show you look for into the category, maybe it's from for the beginners, it is advisable to avoid supplements, avoid, avoid electronics. And, I don't know oversized products, probably because it requires more skills to handle logistics and other kinds of but from my perspective, it's like when I do deep research, I just always make my own calculations. And if the revenue is higher than the loss, then that's okay. So it's, for me, it's an ideal product. I do not classify the products were very deeply within other metrics.
Okay, good. Good point. Thank you very much. Let's move along. And obviously, we are now talking about PPC. That's wonderful. That's great. But what if I am broke? Or I don't want to spend money on PPC? Or maybe I'm a SEO guru, and I can get my clicks and I can get my visitors using my, you know, Ninja SEO skills. Can you live without PPC on Amazon? Or is it just you know, is it just is it just a must have
Artem, you said very well, either you are Ninja, or you need to use PPC. So it's, there's no way to choose. So. And I believe that most of the sellers are not ninjas. So they probably they will need to use PPC advertising. Also, what nessa showed during the presentation are 60% comes from organic 40% comes PPC. That's the general. So if you're not running PPC, you lose a lot of bunch of things. And doesn't matter how good ninja are you, you still need to run.
So my steel PPC is must have even though even though you're like if you optimized it
No. I know sellers who doesn't do PPC. Okay. They but they are ninjas, they choose very niche campaigns and initial categories. And they you know, if there are just five competitors, so you don't need to rank. There's just five competitors in very, very small niche, and they are satisfied with the sales those products generates out of the organic, that's fine for them. But if you try to go on the go to the deeper competition market, then you will need PPC there's no chance to avoid.
Okay, good point. Thank you very much good input and measure, obviously working for a company that promotes VPC optimization. You have your hands tied, but maybe still you can comment a little bit.
Yeah, I mean, you're correct. We are biased. When we when it comes to this question. I mean, we pay our bills, essentially for managing PPC. One thing I would add is that, especially on Amazon advertising, PPC and organic, they kind of work together. I mentioned that briefly in my presentation as well. But it is very important to note that the work that you will put in for the organic, it will also push your PPC. So the even if you use PPC because it is a must have, you're not an SEO ninja or you don't want to be because that's a full time job. And if you're a small seller, like you have like 27 full time jobs at the same time to manage inventory, shipping, accounting and all that fun stuff. So maybe you really don't want yet another another full time job on top. So I mean it. Yeah, it just helps overall, because having good PPC, it's going to push your organic but having good organic is going to push your PPC because your descriptions will be better, and so on and so forth. So it helps because with the same amount of effort you put in for organic, you can then get really good results from PPC out of it. Where the effort is no longer in terms of time in terms of the investment in setting everything up in terms of product images, and product descriptions, and so on and so forth, but rather just the monetary investment, which I mean, those are the two main currencies we work with these days, right time and money. So we only have 24 hours in the day. So if you're handling shipping, accounting and all that fun stuff, maybe it's easier to just invest a bit of money instead of more time that you no longer have to get better results to then perhaps help you free you up from another of those 27 full time jobs you already have as a probably smaller seller. I mean, I know, especially in smaller organizations like everybody's wearing, like so many different hats. So just from that perspective, and of course, yes, you need to consider our bias here. We would argue that PPC will definitely help you make it on Amazon. But if you are as you say that PPC ninja that just knows everything inside and out. It could work why not?
Yeah. So basic. what i'm hearing is that investing in seo is good no matter if you do ppc or not so basically you will have higher conversion rates you will basically get more out of your marketing budget no matter if you use ppc optimization platform or not so at least some sort of basic seo optimization is helpful making sure your listings are optimized titles are great and all that okay that's really good and
i think yeah i would add to here it's a must would you
okay it's a must okay so basic seo optimization is must
yes your your listing has to be optimized before you even start anything ppc campaigns is add on to the rest of the organic sales so you have to do the best what you can to get as much organic sales but
breaking up a bit
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okay very good very good maybe zoom is already trying to tell us that we have been doing this for quite some time and that's why maybe it's interfering with our connection to see us but i think there is maybe time for just one last question before we wrap up this conversation so when i'm starting out with amazon ppc what kind of key metrics should i keep in mind because obviously the problem with digital amnesia you did make your point very clear and i completely agree offline is kind of like old school because you invest before you know and you cannot change your mind once it's already set in motion so you cannot stop your tv campaign violence you've seen that this the three seconds that you know have been shown to viewers is not working you cannot stop it midflight but with digital there is one huge problem too much data especially for a person that is not you know let's use the ninja again i guess it's been worn off of a bit but worn out a bit but again if you're not a savvy savvy bbc bbc specialist even amazon they have automatic campaigns obviously as you mentioned so they kind of you know are in the driving seat and you just decide how much money you're willing to spend but still once you start moving towards more manual campaigns or you want to you know adjust it a little bit further what would be the key metrics that i should be looking into just to understand how am i doing is it amount of sales is it my cpc is it my ctr is it my ross what should it be what should i be looking at
i think that i mean the easiest answer would be everything but now i think it depends on what your strategy is for the product because for example a new launch when you're in the first week of a new product launch you're not going to be looking at the same number you're not going to be looking for the same results as you do with an already established number sorry products like we said before and we were talking with cms about new product launches what you really want to do is to get that ad in front of as many people as possible to create awareness that this product is here it's interesting and to kind of start generating interest from a dod perspective so you might be looking at more like 10 top of the funnel metrics like impressions how many people did see the actual product ads and then clicks how many people did actually click on that product those i would say in the initial days would be at least where our users tend to start when really what they want is to push that product but they are realistic in not expecting all that many sales from it because there is an adoption curve to every new launch and you need to consider that like this is aside from it being i call it magic because it's machine learning and artificial intelligence and all that fun stuff it's not really magic like it's still a numbers game and you still have a human on the other side that decides whether or not to buy your product and with new product launches that doesn't have reviews that doesn't have that many high ranking or anything like that it just gets tricky to make that initial sale so i would focus more on the top of the funnel numbers Then for more established products, it depends on what your general business goals are. I mean, of course, what we usually see with Amazon sellers is that it ultimately all boils down to the profit, product profitability. So which product is the most profitable? Am I making money with this? Or am I not? Because if I'm not, why am I selling it? Do I want to invest more to make it profitable, and if it is making profit, either I'm happy, and I leave it at that profitability, or I want to increase the profitability if I have the space for it. And in all of that, you also need to consider the budgets that you have available, because all of this of court costs, of course, costs money. So you want to start looking at things that advertising cost of sales, or return on adspend. Of course, revenue, like that's the first thing you really look at every morning, I think CMOS might disagree with me. But if I were selling products on Amazon, that's at least what I would check in the morning, like before I open Instagram, what's my revenue on Amazon for the previous day. But in, what I would actually then boil it down to is you, you kind of get into your flow of checking the numbers that are available to you of the profitability of relax, have a cost of cost of revenue, and so on and so forth. But after a while more than which numbers to check, I will check the variance between the numbers to see if something shifted significantly, in a few days, in overnight or anything like that, like that my profits plummet, that my costs skyrocket, just then started digging into why and seeing how to fix it. So those, that's where I see this numbers becoming more and more important, because if they keep you in check, they keep all of your situation in check if it starts varying too much, it means that there's always going to be variance because again, you have a human on the other line that either buys or not your product. But it helps detect if there really any major issues that you need to address. So that's where I would leave the I think I'm happy with that answer. Yes,
I'll just stop.
Okay, good CMS, how about your input, that was really good.
Say, just just just know your numbers and know your income and know your expenses. If you're if if your income is my earthen expenses, then it's okay. So you have to know your your cost of goods, you know, you have to know the amount of ad spend you have per day and so on. And all in all, at the end of the day, when you calculate the numbers, you have to be profitable, unless you will not run your business for a long period of time. So then the day you have to be profitable. So now you know your numbers, all the numbers of the business numbers, not only the Amazon numbers, but the business, which is around you only accounting costs of the rent and logistics and all all of the numbers, you have to know it not only the PPC. So what concerns PPC, I always at the beginning, I make a decision about the launch phase to know either it's a launch phase, or it's just the phase when you have just the business to get product finding and that's it. And if it's launcher launch phase, so then you have to track the rankings a lot. So if it's getting better or not. And yeah, so keyword rankings, product ranking overall, if there's room to grow at the beginning of the of the launch phase, when the product is already established, then you have to know your basic numbers, cost of goods, logistics and other stuff so that the the, the end of the day, you will know that your business is profitable.
Okay, very good. Very good. Good comments. Thank you very much. So again, if I sum it up, just to maybe make it easier for viewers and listeners. So basically during launch phase, usually your strategy might be different compared to when you're already an established seller or you're going into an established category. So your your strategy basically will most likely change within time. So when you start out if you're starting absolutely fresh, again, depending on the category competition, no competition, but you will most likely not be so aggressive with profitability. You will kind of want to get some numbers in maybe, again, maybe, if you're just starting really fresh, and you just want to establish that baseline. And then as with house, you know about heart rate variability, right? That signals a lot, not the pulse itself, but the variability. So once you actually have established the base, you will start looking at the numbers. And since we have major shifts in the marketplace, we have pandemic, we have presidential elections in, for example, USA, everything can impact everything, right. So if people have negative outlook on the future, they might not be buying as much, maybe they will push and buy toilet paper, as we've seen, people have been doing for quite some time. So I never thought, you know, selling toilet paper could be a huge business. But again, shells were empty at some point. So obviously, everything is constantly changing. And you have to, I guess, the best advice would be, you have to really know what you're doing. You have to constantly be learning and you have to be on the lookout, what is working, what is not working, if something changed, why possibly it might change, why why did it change and then try to adapt to that change by BPC increasing budget lowering, going back to your product, maybe even adjusting profitability coming up with maybe a different product. So again, I guess having a quick feedback cycle is the best way to move forward. So you constantly are testing new things you're seeing and adopting the changes. Alright, guys, it's been a long episode, but I think it was filled with really valuable information worth a lot of money. Again, just for viewers and listeners, I'll have links to expert and obviously, so contact information of SEMA. So if you want to get to know more about that spurred aspart is an optimization platform for PPC campaigns. And using the link down below, you can start and use it for I think 30 days for free. So you can see if it's working for you if it brings you money, hey, great, if not, well, at least you didn't spend any. And CMOS obviously is doing really well as a seller and he's helping other sellers as well to become successful. So I will have some information about him as well in the description below. But guys, thank you very much. It's been a pleasure. I really enjoyed it. Thank you for your insight.
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